- Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:39 pm
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I protect my vision of the truth.
i protect my God and my Jesus.
If Francis says something that
goes with my vision of truth, I
acknowledge what Francis says.
If Francis says something that
doesn't go with my Jesus or with
my God I gently and rightly so
put the boot.
The danger of taking party and
stances is that you end up
supporting that person even when
suddenly he talks nonsense in
your vision.
That is the moment you become
a prisoner of that person, or more
so a prisoner of your own sub
assertive behvio(u)r.
And that is exactly what MY Jesus
abhors.
The problem is the other part of
the group who demands you take
a stance, and then kind of demands
you to go with the flow of the rest
of the group for the peace of that
group.
Sounds Catholic.
Yet the problem is exactly that the
other part of the group, most of
the time 99 percent, is not able
to assertively take your words and
the defense of the group is to emit
a generalized verdict that has no
good base, but the use of a
generalized common feeling. so
that is then a fallacy ad hominem.
So that fallacy is used to protect
the 99 percent who is not able to
think for themselves.
In this example we can see that
somebody says (no judgement
here) "Some people use the
opportunity to put the boot on
somebody". Well nobody wants
to put the boot on nobodies
throat, so the phrase delves in
our evocative capacity and
causes inner repulsion and in
such a way modifies our thought,
biasing an imagined existing
group and putting the members
back on a certain track.
even if nothing real was said or
any conclusion was assertively
accepted as plausible. It was just
the expression of a feeling of
a co-member that has much
capacity of persuasion on a
certain kind of people.
Call it good shepherding. and
it is. Actually for everybody
here who doesn;t understand
what I am saying here.
O if everybody were only able to
listen and consider even a brief
moment to the greatest
nonsense of his dear brother,
without ending up judging for the
sake of nothing but the fear that
they would follow the other and
go astray. I tell you, ye do not
trust your fellow brothers if you
act this way. Acting this way
will always jeopardize unity.
Resumed:
I did not expect some members of the forum to use the opportunity to put the boot in on Pope Francis.
I find it very difficult to feel connected to the church and its leadership very often-maybe even 80% of the time.I see it like this:
I protect my vision of the truth.
i protect my God and my Jesus.
If Francis says something that
goes with my vision of truth, I
acknowledge what Francis says.
If Francis says something that
doesn't go with my Jesus or with
my God I gently and rightly so
put the boot.
The danger of taking party and
stances is that you end up
supporting that person even when
suddenly he talks nonsense in
your vision.
That is the moment you become
a prisoner of that person, or more
so a prisoner of your own sub
assertive behvio(u)r.
And that is exactly what MY Jesus
abhors.
The problem is the other part of
the group who demands you take
a stance, and then kind of demands
you to go with the flow of the rest
of the group for the peace of that
group.
Sounds Catholic.
Yet the problem is exactly that the
other part of the group, most of
the time 99 percent, is not able
to assertively take your words and
the defense of the group is to emit
a generalized verdict that has no
good base, but the use of a
generalized common feeling. so
that is then a fallacy ad hominem.
So that fallacy is used to protect
the 99 percent who is not able to
think for themselves.
In this example we can see that
somebody says (no judgement
here) "Some people use the
opportunity to put the boot on
somebody". Well nobody wants
to put the boot on nobodies
throat, so the phrase delves in
our evocative capacity and
causes inner repulsion and in
such a way modifies our thought,
biasing an imagined existing
group and putting the members
back on a certain track.
even if nothing real was said or
any conclusion was assertively
accepted as plausible. It was just
the expression of a feeling of
a co-member that has much
capacity of persuasion on a
certain kind of people.
Call it good shepherding. and
it is. Actually for everybody
here who doesn;t understand
what I am saying here.
O if everybody were only able to
listen and consider even a brief
moment to the greatest
nonsense of his dear brother,
without ending up judging for the
sake of nothing but the fear that
they would follow the other and
go astray. I tell you, ye do not
trust your fellow brothers if you
act this way. Acting this way
will always jeopardize unity.
Resumed:
"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.
My Jesus says to me: My God, the Father and I, ... we love everybody..., yes even the sinners. Be assured however that we are not in love with everybody. Therefore I ask you to question yourself: Is God in love with me?